Derek's Greyhound

Derek Fleming driving his Ford "Greyhound" on an MCC event in the mid-50's Derek bought the car for trialling while he was building "Primrose", after damaging the under-side of hiis brand new Hillman Minx.

Sitting at the dinner table with Derek Fleming at the MCC Centenary Dinner we got to talk about his cars. Derek got into trials through fellow garage owner Tucker, and he started out competing in his brand new Hillman Minx. This went well, but inevitably, it suffered quite a bit underneath and when the petrol tank got damaged Derek decided to get another car for trialling while he was building Primrose.

An open pre-war Ford Tourer came Derek’s way, which he refers to as a "Ford Greyhound". This interested me and when I got home, I looked it up on the Internet, without success! What I did find was a large amount of information on radiator mascots.

Back in the 20’s and early 30’s it was very popular to have a mascot on your radiator cap. Some manufacturers provided them as standard, but with Ford it was an accessory, a greyhound! So, "greyhound" was not really a clue to the origins of the car.

Derek in his "Greyhound" tackles Darracott in 1956. Compare the shape of the doors and the windscreen mounting with the two pictures at the bottom of the page.	The greyhound radiator cap was a popular accessory for Fords. It was available as an option from Ford, but a number of aftermarket companies also sold greyhound radiator caps for Ford cars. Each company rendered its own version of the greyhound so differences can be found.
Comparing Derek’s car with the 1932 "Y" with body by Abbey Coachworks (right) shows many similarities but the standard "CX" Tourer (left) is very different.

A phone call to Derek didn’t shed a lot more light on the cars history. He couldn’t remember who he bought it from, although he did remember it said "Greyhound" in the logbook. Derek reckoned it could have been a special body built on a standard chassis. But was it? Research on the Internet revealed that Ford started to produce the Y type in the summer of 1932. This was known as the short radiator model and it had a straight bumper. After this in October 1933 the 'long rad' model, with its longer radiator grille and front bumper with the characteristic dip was produced.

Ford never produced an open Y type but when the "C" came along they did produce a tourer version of the CX. However, you can see that Derek’s car is not one of these when you look at the shape of the bottom front of the door, and the way the windscreen mounts to the body. Anyway, Derek had pointed out that his car had a straight ribbed bumper. This was a clue to the cars age as it must have been an early short rad model. Derek also mentioned that he used the car with 16 inch wheels but this was a red herring. Ford produced their pre-war cars with 17 inch, Firestone shod, wheels. Mitchelin were promoting their 16 inch tyres and gave away a set of 16-inch wheels if you bought a full set of their rubber. This of course lowered the gearing!

So Derek’s car was not a CX, it was based on a an early Y type. Further trawling on the Net confirmed that Ford did not produce an open top car because it was thought that the chassis was too flexible, however several specialist coachbuilders produced a range of attractive model 'Y' tourers. After yet more surfing I found a picture of a 1932 Y with a Tourer body by Abbey Coachworks and I set about comparing this with Derek’s car. They are both short rad models with straight ribbed bumpers. The doors look the same, so does the windscreen mount.

In conclusion it looks as if Derek’s "Greyhound" was a 1932 or 1933 Y type produced in chassis form by Ford with a body built by Abbey Coachbuilders. What is certain is that the car gave Derek a lot of fun and not a little success. Derek attributes its climbing ability to its flexible chassis that ensured the wheels were always in contact with the ground, however rough and rocky terrain. There were disadvantages of course. The doors tended to fly open over the bumps unless they were tied shut!

The reason the chassis flexed so much was that the rivets had all come loose. When Derek sold the car to Ian Wilson he welded it up. It was nice and stiff afterwards, improving the handling on the road no end, but it never climbed very well again!